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q | f opens, then does nothing

Post by Sheba » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:11 pm

I just downloaded quadrium/flames, and the starting points menu shows up like it should. But when I choose a preset, the menu disappears and nothing else happens. It even quit once for no apparent reason. I'd hate to download a new copy over a dial-up connection, so can my current copy be fixed?

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Post by gandreas » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:17 pm

Well, there's good news and bad new.

The good news is the one other person has reported a problem similar problem (though for them, it quits whens this happens). The bad news is that only one other person has reported this problem (and it works fine for everybody else).

What version of the OS are you running, and on what kind of machine?

If you launch the console (/Applications/Utilities/Console.app) do any messages appear on it when you do this? (There should be a couple that appear about doing things like loading the UI, etc... - those are normal, so you should at least see something appear when you do it - it would be other messages that would be most interesting)

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Post by Sheba » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:36 pm

I'm using OS X 10.3.9 on a 400MHz iMac.

Messages? Lots. :(

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2007-01-11 15:53:13.247 quadrium | flame[278] Looking for initWithOverridableWindowNibName:StartingPoints

2007-01-11 15:53:13.248 quadrium | flame[278] Overriding StartingPoints as /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/StartingPoints.nib

2007-01-11 15:53:13.273 quadrium | flame[278] Created listening socket on fd 10, port 49195

2007-01-11 15:53:13.277 quadrium | flame[278] Local Sharing started <NSNetService>  _quadrium._tcp Esmeralda McMeans’ Computer (<NSConcreteFileHandle>)

2007-01-11 15:53:14.734 quadrium | flame[278] Looking for initWithOverridableWindowNibName:QuiGlobalBar

2007-01-11 15:53:14.735 quadrium | flame[278] Overriding QuiGlobalBar as /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/QuiGlobalBar.nib

2007-01-11 15:53:14.912 quadrium | flame[278] *** -[NSWindowGraphicsContext isFlipped]: selector not recognized

2007-01-11 15:53:14.928 quadrium | flame[278] Exception raised during posting of notification.  Ignored.  exception: *** -[NSWindowGraphicsContext isFlipped]: selector not recognized

2007-01-11 15:53:20.079 quadrium | flame[278] [<NSTableColumn> valueForUndefinedKey:]: this class is not key value coding-compliant for the key enabled.

2007-01-11 16:06:28.908 quadrium | flame[347] Looking for initWithOverridableWindowNibName:StartingPoints

2007-01-11 16:06:28.913 quadrium | flame[347] Overriding StartingPoints as /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/StartingPoints.nib

2007-01-11 16:06:28.914 quadrium | flame[347] Created listening socket on fd 10, port 49248

2007-01-11 16:06:28.917 quadrium | flame[347] Local Sharing started <NSNetService>  _quadrium._tcp Esmeralda McMeans’ Computer (<NSConcreteFileHandle>)

2007-01-11 16:06:30.208 quadrium | flame[347] Looking for initWithOverridableWindowNibName:QuiGlobalBar

2007-01-11 16:06:30.210 quadrium | flame[347] Overriding QuiGlobalBar as /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/QuiGlobalBar.nib

2007-01-11 16:06:30.291 quadrium | flame[347] *** -[NSWindowGraphicsContext isFlipped]: selector not recognized

2007-01-11 16:06:30.399 quadrium | flame[347] Exception raised during posting of notification.  Ignored.  exception: *** -[NSWindowGraphicsContext isFlipped]: selector not recognized

2007-01-11 16:06:49.927 quadrium | flame[347] [<NSTableColumn> valueForUndefinedKey:]: this class is not key value coding-compliant for the key enabled.

2007-01-11 16:07:11.830 quadrium | flame[347] [<NSTableColumn> valueForUndefinedKey:]: this class is not key value coding-compliant for the key enabled.

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Post by gandreas » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:18 pm

Excellent - it appears to be a 10.3.9 specific problem then (which explains why only a couple of people have seen it). I'll have to fire up a 10.3.9 machine or partition to track this down, but this
2007-01-11 16:06:30.291 quadrium | flame[347] *** -[NSWindowGraphicsContext isFlipped]: selector not recognized
is possibly the cause of the problem (or may be unrelated) and this
2007-01-11 16:06:49.927 quadrium | flame[347] [<NSTableColumn> valueForUndefinedKey:]: this class is not key value coding-compliant for the key enabled.
is definitely a problem.

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Post by gandreas » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:04 pm

I've got a beta of 1.2b1 that should resolve these problems (and a few others, only a couple of minor new features) - I'll "private message" you the URL...

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Post by Sheba » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:34 pm

Okay, I opened the beta, and it promptly froze then quit. I opened it again, and it seems to be stable.

Console spat out this, however:

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2007-01-12 12:25:29.183 quadrium | flame[370] *** -[NSBundle load]: Error loading code /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.2b1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/qui_103.bundle/Contents/MacOS/qui_103 for bundle /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.2b1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/Resources/qui_103.bundle, error code 0 (link edit error code 0, error number 2 (dyld: /Users/esmeraldamcmeans/Desktop/quadrium | flame 1.2b1/quadrium | flame.app/Contents/MacOS/quadrium | flame can't open library: /System/Library/Frameworks/QuartzCore.framework/Versions/A/QuartzCore  (No such file or directory, errno = 2)

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Post by Sheba » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:39 pm

I spoke too soon. I tried to change something on the Details screen, then it tried to quit and hung. I had to force it to quit to get rid of that spinning beach ball.

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Post by gandreas » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:24 pm

Control/Right click on the application, and select "Show Package Contents" from the pop-up contextual menu.

In the folder Contents > Resources there's something called "qui_103.bundle" (which may have an icon looking like a lego block).

Drag that to the trash (since it turns out that it doesn't actually do anything yet).

Close that window and relaunch quadrium|flame and see if it's any better.

Next time it hangs with the "spinning beachball", launch Activity Monitor (found in /Applications/Utilities) show the Active Montitor (command-1) if it's not already shown, and scroll down until you see quadrium | flame listed (it'll probably be in red if it's stuck like that). Click the "Inspect" button in the toolbar, and then click the "Sample" button (in the bottom left corner). Click the "Save" button in that new window and save that to a text file and send me those results, please.

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Post by Sheba » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:53 pm

I sent an email: "quadrium | flame bug" in the subject line.

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Post by Sheba » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:26 pm

I've been working with the software to see if there are different ways to do things and work around the stuff I can't do the usual way.

Clicking and dragging the image in the document window causes it to hang like I've been saying. Dragging the frame to the drop targets is fine. I can rotate it using control-click, but free rotation is out. Rotating in "3D Mode" is no good, either. Magnify is fine.

On the Details screen, I can click on an individual flame, but not drag it. The arrow keys can move it around. Attempting to change colors also causes the program to freeze, but changing the gradient does not. Moving sliders is an adventure: trying to slide them causes it to hang, while doing it with keyboard commands and the scroll wheel is fine.

Clicking and dragging thumbnail views (like from the Mutations screen and the Breeding Pool) causes no problems at all. Weird.

Despite all the problems, I'm not ready to trash it. There's some things left to explore, and q|f has generated some amazing fractals. I couldn't save any of them since this is a demo, but I did take a couple of screen grabs of one of the weirder ones generated. I swear that this looks like a chameleon. Or my eyes might be tired. :P

http://www.darthsheba.com/misc/chameleon_grab.jpg
http://www.darthsheba.com/misc/color_chameleon_grab.jpg

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Post by gandreas » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:50 pm

There's something strange going on there - that's for sure, since my G4 running 10.3.9 has none of those problems.

The only thing that seems to be in common is the whole "track a moving mouse" (but not all "click and drag"), since anything that's just click and release sounds like its working. The odd part is that this is happening to built in system controls (like sliders and the rotation knob).

I'm really suspecting some sort of third party conflict (such as with a mouse driver or something, but you've tried uninstalling that one thing as well as trying from a new account) - anything that hooks into the whole "mouse dragged" loop. It would be worth trying something simple - perhaps if you could download a sample from Apple at <http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/C ... ampler.zip>, expand the zip file, and run the application (you can ignore the various source files, etc...) - if clicking and dragging on the Mandrill fail, we know there's a serious conflict on your system.


And yes, those do look like chameleons...

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Post by Sheba » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:02 pm

Clicklng doesn't seem to be a problem. I dragged the mouse over the mandril for about 10-15 seconds, then it quit.

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Post by gandreas » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:16 am

OK, next experiment (isn't this fun?)

What kind of mouse do you have?

Can you disconnect it completely and plug in the standard Apple mouse that came with the computer - does this change anything?

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Post by Sheba » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:36 am

The mouse that came with the computer went south the first year I had it (six years ago). I've been using Logitech mice since then. The newest one (cordless) I bought a week ago because the last one was tracking badly. I guess that's because the software didn't support newer versions of OS X.

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Post by gandreas » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:39 pm

I dug out my old "wheel mouse" by Logitech, downloaded the latest software I could find for it ("lcc213.dmg"), rebooted, and everything seems to work fine (I didn't configure any of the special actions like mapping extra buttons to triple clicks or anything like that).

What version are you running (if you launch the System Preferences, and then click on the mouse, it will launch the "Device Manager" application - you can select the "About" menu item there, and it should say something like "2.1.3 (v2.1.3)".

You might want to also try adding an application specific configuration in the "Device Manager" that just does "click" (single click) for all the buttons and "vertical scroll" for the wheel.

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